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Exactly, these people should grow a pair and stop referring to "the woman" as "the woman", she put her own name out there with that screenshot dump. My issue isn't actually so much about stirring things up, i just really dislike this weird sort of whiteknighting for "the woman". If i mention her full name here, they'll delete my post, it's pathetic. But yeah, if the screenshots are real and true, then she doesn't look to good either. She knowingly lied to Horner about deleting the chat (because keeping screenshots is the same as saving the chat). She told her friend(s) about it who told her to file a complaint and she said that she wouldn't (why did she even include that screenshot? Did she think that the friend telling her "this is xx assault" would be more incriminating than her "i won't tell him that" part?). And even after Horner apologized she kept taking more screenshots and lowered her defense again (baiting?). I just don't really see the whole victim part in this from her side. She even told Horner that he didn't need a personal assistent anyway, so even if she comes back to work, there's nothing to do for her if Horner leaves. And even if he stayed, i doubt that there will be a very good working relationship from here on, it just wouldn't make a lot of sense. I mean, i try not to care, but everytime it comes up again, i just can't help but wonder about these things. I'm not sure if there were any other developments on it recently, i haven't really checked in here a lot anymore. At first i did not believe any of it, but honestly, i was never a huge Horner fan anyway and he messed up, and since i find her victimhood questionable, i don't really care which way it goes, i'm more concerned about the effects that it could have on the team and Max in particular. Considering that Newey's going somewhere else, things might change a LOT, and whether that is because of this Horner thing or not, that is not that important to me in the bigger picture. Personally i hope it opens up the door to a Gordon Murray kind of guy, or he himself, because he is more specialized in smaller and lighter cars, which will be more in favor from 2026 onwards, some competition for Newey.

26-04-2024 18:38

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I kinda agree with your 1st point, because as Max/RB fan, i was a bit shocked/saddened by the DNF at first, but because his lead was still big in the championship, i quickly swallowed that DNF and looked forward to an exciting race between the rest of the grid. But because Sainz had the good opening laps and was in such a good form, he kind of lead the race as if he had done this many times before. With Mercedes lacking and the Astons peaking at the high midfield, it was mostly between Ferrari and McLaren, but even Ferrari was a size too big for McLaren, so in the end, there wasn't much excitement in the top. But i did like to watch Yuki holding on to his points, and even getting more points after Alonso's (unfair/harsh) penalty. So, all in all, it wasn't the most exciting race, especially not compared to last year's, but to say it was boring, that's a bit much in my opinion. I am probably biased because of Max/RB, so even a 10 lap advantage win from Max would not be boring to me (yet). Windsor has also been team manager at Williams, and has been obsessed with the sport all his life, so i can totally understand that it needs to take a LOT for him to find things boring in F1 (mind you, he might find it dull etc., but boring is on another level). There's always other teams and drivers to root for, just like with any sport, not everyone ONLY cheers for the winners, there are loyal fans to the Minnesota Vikings, even though they've never ever won a Superbowl, or something like that. There still is plenty going on behind Max. I would say that in '22, there were a couple of races where Sky Sports did not put in a lot of effort to make it exciting. Which was also the time where Max/RB decided to shun them, for making nasty remarks and such. But in general, even if it's fake excitement, the commentators at least try to make it exciting even when there doesn't seem to be a lot going on. But i would say that if the commentators actively try to downplay some teams, or just don't sound excited in general, then they should be replaced, as i think that excitement should be one of the commentator's main qualities. I do agree with the focus of the sport at this moment, i grew up with F1 having a bit of a loose grid, in terms of drivers having more freedom and/or say in the sport. Drivers had strong characters, it all just was less like a corporation than it is today. Now many drivers are still kids, they are handled by their handlers and promo teams etc. And i am kinda saddened to see how everything turns into a corporate business, as these people have ruined enough venues and scenes all over the world. But yeah, that is capitalism, unfortunately. I partly agree about the cost cap as well, at one hand it is nice to see how some teams get it right, or develop their way back into the top. It would also be nice to see other teams turning things around quickly through investments. But yeah, that wouldn't be 'nice' for the backmarker teams, as they'll be left behind even more, but on the other hand, it's not like they have a big chance to mingle with the midfield anyway, because the midfield and top teams still just have an inherent advantage over them. So, in the end it might not matter as much for the grid in general, but some teams could get closer to the top to make it more exciting, but i also like seeing Red Bull getting rewarded for getting it so right. But i might sound a LOT different if this was Mercedes/Lewis again. Ideally there would be no cost cap, but unfortunately the differences between teams is just too big to let teams invest their way out of problems, so i do think that the cost cap is a somewhat correct decision, but sadly it is not really playing out exactly as intended. I am one of those viewers that joined in '21 when Max was starting to look very good, and honestly, i really had not expected him to win, as i was ready to be disappointed and thinking that this was probably our (Dutchies) last chance at ever getting this far. Not knowing they'd dominate from the next year on. But i am definitely not of the opinion that F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. It might be in terms of speed, just like Usain Bolt was the fastest sprinter, but to say that Bolt is the pinnacle of running sports or something, that would be an overstatement, as there are plenty of exciting ways to run fast. F1 cars are like gazelles, it's graceful, fast, but they're also very delicate and fragile. Put an F1 car in any other league and they will get destroyed (both literally and figuratively), as they cannot take a decent hit, or deal with uneven tarmac. But it sure is the pinnacle in terms of money. And yeah, for a lot of people, the sport is perfect and should stay that way, but i am kinda hoping that it will become a bit more free like before. Although also hopefully without the controversies, but eh, we're in the middle of one and had a couple of them in previous years, so that hasn't changed. But i would like to see it become less institutionalized, less corporate, but i'm afraid that it is too late for that, as it seems to be getting worse.

30-03-2024 13:11

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Fair points. I would say that, i take the 'misbehaving' broadly, because as much as he might have crossed the line, she seemed to be with him for some parts. If the leaked files are real, then i think it doesn't do her much favor either. So i am kinda indifferent about the whole thing on the professional level. If true, then she also wasn't essential, and if it means that he has to go, then she defenitely has to go along with him. So, it again wouldn't specifically do her any favor, other than media attention and some money, because of having had a lame affair at the job... It stinks for sure, but i honestly got tired of the whispers and ran out of patience, and drew my own conclusions just to be kinda done with it myself. Although, in turn it also makes me keep on going about it.. so yeah haha. But i don't really feel the need to keep up anymore, i actually only checked this article to see how it still got so many comments (now i am adding more to it). I just would have thought that there would be clearer refutes and debunks about the leaked files and other rumors at this point, so it makes me think that some of this is actually true. But, i would also say that if true, none of it is really going too far, they both did some lame stuff. So, we're back at the start again basically. Maybe she might have the moral high ground, but that's a bit worthless in court. But yeah, it could as well all be fabricated, kayfabe! We don't truly know.

25-03-2024 22:31

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Yeah, she either is rich, or maybe the lawfirms might be 'doing her a favor', profiteering from the media attention, because it's like a 50/50 gamble for them. The evidence will be the deciding factor, it either proves him guilty or not, if they win, well that's a win-win for them. She's the one paying, and if they win, then Horner's the one paying, this is a typical 'showcase'. That's not to say that they're probably also really good at their job, just think of the OJ case, everyone knows that he's guilty, but that jury.... they're human. But i don't think they'll actually have much to do in this case, but their shares will probably be rising until the verdict comes. I think if they're smart (which they undoubtedly are), they'll try to discuss as less as possible concerning the leaked evidence, because in my opinion, there are several moments where she decided on some questionable things (like sharing the convo with a friend and then NOT saying that it was assault, why not? And then actually backpedaling the threatening talk, after Horner apologized. She kept the chat in screenshot form. Participated in the flirts.) The fact that Horner misbehaved is of course a given, but i think that she passed up on opportunities to correct him, and deliberately kept 'evidence' to the point it almost starts to look like entrapment. (especially after Horner tried to distance himself like she wanted, as he recalls Japan and Mexico which she didn't refute, but he got the wrong intentions from her when she showed up in an outfit that she knows he likes, and that is where the 'damning' part of the evidence comes out with the "You can't say things like this" and the friend saying assault.) Honestly, she knew that he really didn't need a PA, so it wasn't like she was an essential part of the team, she should've quit, or at least negotiated some mutual agreement with Horner. I once left a job where the boss and i could not get along, at all, but we were still able to get to a mutual agreement. I'm not defending Horner, i don't really care that much what is going to happen to him after this, but i just don't think that she has a really strong case either. It's not severe enough to play the victim card solely, then her questionable choices don't help her either. It was way too tame for it to be tyrannical, she was almost helping him to up his game a bit. I don't really expect some conviction, but his career and marriage will most likely be ruined, as will be hers, but she'd be rich anyway, as will he be. So, yeah. Feel bad for Geri though.

25-03-2024 21:31

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Yeah, she was not able to show any more damning stuff, she should have all the juicy parts. So if that is all there is, they both don't look good, unprofessional. But to Horner's advantage, she was not essential and basically an extra, so in terms of the actual team, it is kinda separated from them, so in theory, nothing is really affected. Aside from his marriage of course... and yeah, not sure what Red Bull will be saying/doing about it. But in theory, he could survive it? I saw Max talking to Horner during the race, it looked normal, maybe if Jos toned down his words a bit, maybe it could pass. Again though, his marriage could be finished, but maybe the affaire wasn't entirely physical, maaaybe she can forgive him. I'd say that he doesn't deserve her, but yeah, this isn't Desperate Housewives of London. I think the first investigation will also be an indicator for what will be coming, a lot of drama, but no real conviction.

25-03-2024 21:46

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